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 Hi everyone,
 Let's see if I can summarize some of the key issues/questions that 
            have been raised so far on the science literacy question, and add 
            a few more. Then maybe we can think about how to organize the points 
            to provide a productive direction for action.
 In answer to the first question (Why is it important for the "average 
            person" to know about science?), the key themes so far seem to 
            be:
 - It's part of being well-rounded and able to understand and participate 
            in references and connections that are part of our culture. (much 
            like knowing current political events, highlights of history, etc.)
 - It helps people make decisions on the basis of scientific evidence, 
            and helps them avoid being conned by pseudoscience practitioners. 
            Medical care and environmental issues are two good examples here. 
            (A small aside: The issue of why people are drawn to pseudoscience 
            is very important, and is something I think we should return to as 
            a future discussion topic).
 - Critical thinking and problem-solving skills, central to science, 
            are valuable in many areas of life.
 - Knowledge of science can change how we perceive the world, and this 
            perception impacts decisions we make in all areas of life. This is 
            the main reason I care so much about having people understand science. 
            So, I'll elaborate on my perspective on this: It seems to me we should 
            recognize that we, with our thoughts, feelings, hopes, and goals, 
            are part of this universe described by science. Our ideas about how 
            we want to develop as people and as a society are intertwined with 
            what we believe about how this universe basically works. So we ought 
            to be doing science and teaching it with the conscious objective of 
            building up and modifying our individual "worldviews" of 
            "how we fit into things." After all, it is really IDEAS, 
            what people BELIEVE is important for them to do, that mostly shape 
            society. No matter what kind of society we live in, the context for 
            our lives is set by the universe which produces us and gives us the 
            constraints and possibilities we experience. We all are made of elements 
            that once were in the cores of stars; we all find that certain materials 
            are necessary to keep us warm or to keep us from being hungry; we 
            all find that certain kinds of vibrations in the air (called music) 
            can make us feel certain ways. Ultimately, I think, we must know what 
            that context is, what the properties of nature tell us about what 
            it is "trying to do," in order to make our lives fully meaningful. 
            Science can be an important tool for uncovering this context. Without 
            it, I think, people's efforts are seriously handicapped in this area.
 - Economic growth is often tied to scientific progress, and a "science-literate" 
            workforce is needed to maintain this growth (and "compete" 
            in the world marketplace?). The average standard of living has improved 
            a great deal as a result of scientific progress, and some level of 
            science literacy overall may be needed in order to maintain this standard 
            of living.
 - Related to the last point, national defense has depended a great 
            deal on science, especially since WWII. In fact, the primary justification 
            for the extensive federal funding of basic science research we have 
            today is that its importance to national defense was clearly recognized 
            after WWII (NSF, DOE, etc. all started as part of the wave of support 
            for national science that followed the war). So, we need a workforce 
            and military personnel who are science-literate. (I suppose the defense 
            issue was behind much of the science education push that followed 
            Sputnik?)
 The answer to the second question (what should they know about science?) 
            will obviously depend a great deal on the answer to the first. The 
            necessary knowledge is different for different purposes. So eventually, 
            we'll probably want to tie the answers to the 2 questions together. 
            Anyway, here's what I see so far as answers to this second question:
 - They should learn that science isn't as remote, abstract, and intimidating 
            as they may have previously believed. This point is related to Eric's 
            comments in reply to Amanda:
 > I worry that much of science, as it is currently taught,
 > is indeed remote and abstract. In high school I had to
 > memorize all the bones and muscles in the body, as well
 > as all the elements in the periodic table -- it struck me
 > as rather unimportant. Further, think about how much of a
 > basic physics course is abstract. You spend lots of time
 > learning technical definitions of things such as "force" 
            and
 > "energy", and memorizing equations, in order to analyze 
            simple,
 > artificial situations.
 Brian pointed out that some memorization and terminology are essential 
            for understanding:
 > If one does not develop the specialized vocabulary of a field, 
            how can one
 > become conversant in the ideas that it presents to us. You certainly 
            know
 > what electrons, protons, and neutrons ARE, to a much greater 
            extent than
 > the sixth grader who has just been taught the definitions and 
            shown the
 > Bohr model of the atom. But I suspect that you started your journey
 > towards understanding subatomic particles in the same place (perhaps
 > earlier than sixth grade): accepting the "facts" as 
            presented, first by
 > memorizing them, then by making connections to other parts of 
            your
 > experience and understanding of the universe. In your remark 
            above, it
 > appears that you are frustrated by only seeing people being taught 
            the
 > vocabulary but not the meaning and implications of that vocabulary 
            on their
 > worldviews and/or political and economic choices. I would assert 
            that one
 > must go through that first exercise, and accept the fact that 
            many do not
 > move beyond it. I suspect that some of the lack of progress is 
            due to a
 > lack of understanding by science teachers (and their concominant 
            sin of not
 > applying appropriate teaching methods), but I suspect that the 
            larger
 > responsibility falls upon us scientists for not for actively 
            convincing
 > society of the importance and value of good scientific literacy 
            and
 > critical thinking. People can operate just fine in our society 
            without
 > knowing much about science. The fact that they could live better 
            if they
 > payed more attention to the subject and its methods is accepted 
            by you and
 > I but most remain unconvinced. Why?
 It seems to me that we should, as Eric suggested, be rethinking how 
            these courses are taught. Two key questions come to my mind here:
 1) Again, what is our goal in teaching science? The approach depends 
            critically on the outcome we're after. I'd suggest that if we're going 
            after an appreciation and respect for what science can do, and trying 
            to change people's attitudes about science and its relevance to them, 
            then we can afford to go very light on vocabulary and definition. 
            (On the other hand, if we're training future scientists, they may 
            need to know the language first, in order to converse easily with 
            others in their field). It would be nice if all students knew the 
            Bohr model of the atom. But more important for most, I think, is that 
            they understand the general questions that led to the Bohr model. 
            I'd like them to have spent some time thinking about the question 
            of what things are made of, how finely you can break up matter, and 
            how in the world you go about discovering how small the pieces are 
            and what they look like. In my astronomy classes I always start things 
            out by having students go out and look at the stars, and try to figure 
            out methods for determining their distances. Once they've wrestled 
            with the question, the distances I give them later in the class have 
            a clearer meaning and context. And in fact, I'd much rather they remember 
            the process of how we tried to figure out the distances, than that 
            they actually remember the numbers. This may be something like what 
            Keith Devlin had in mind in suggesting that we teach "science 
            awareness" rather than "science literacy?"
 2) In what order to we present things? The order of presentation clearly 
            matters. Maybe the vocabulary can come later, when the students have 
            already generated questions they care about, so that the information 
            they learn won't seem boring and unimportant in the way Eric described. 
            By focusing on "meaningless" vocabulary in the early stages, 
            we may turn people off so they won't stay around long enough to find 
            out that there is real meaning and interest behind the terminology. 
            In any case, it seems that an important topic for discussion is the 
            balance and order of "questions" and "answers" 
            that will both keep people engaged and achieve the level of knowledge 
            that we're after in the end. The details of how this is done probably 
            have a strong influence on people's attitudes about science.
 - They should have a basic understanding of the scientific method, 
            how we draw conclusions, what we mean by evidence, what makes us so 
            confident about some knowledge claims but not others, etc. This would 
            also give them a more complete picture of how science works, which 
            might help counteract some of the media problems Eric pointed out:
 > I think a key problem is that the media tends to overstate
 > scientific results. Especially with medical science, all results
 > somehow appear conclusive or revolutionary.
 The newsmedia tend (understandably) to focus on the new and exciting 
            and different, so they focus on the "edges" and make everything 
            revolutionary. If you don't have the big picture of how a subject 
            has evolved, you get the impression that scientists are completely 
            changing their minds every few weeks! The big bang theory is a good 
            example of this: Even though the basic picture is well understood 
            and widely accepted (the universe IS expanding, WAS once extremely 
            hot, etc.), there are many interesting details that are still very 
            uncertain (e.g. how fast it's expanding, how long ago (10-20 billion 
            years) it was in this very hot state, etc.) Yet to read many news 
            articles about it, you'd think scientists were ready to scrap the 
            whole theory everytime someone finds it is expanding a little faster 
            or slower than previously thought. It's as if you saw a car coming 
            toward you at a speed you measured as 60 mph, and then later concluded 
            that the car isn't moving at all, because a different measurement 
            recorded the speed as 55 mph. A better overall understanding of how 
            science works and how theories are refined might help combat this 
            kind of problem.
 - They should have some direct experience with the fun and excitement 
            of science, of seeing something amazing about how the world works.
 - They should gain basic skills in critical thinking, problem solving, 
            math (especially statistics?)
 - Some kind of overview or highlights of the key findings of science 
            – big ideas that they will remember, at least vaguely, for a 
            long time.
 Have I left out anything important? So far only the "scientists" 
            have been talking - those of you on the list who are not trained as 
            scientists, what do you think? Are we covering the reasons you feel 
            science is important, and the skills you think are most valuable? 
            All perspectives are very welcome, in trying to figure out what most 
            needs to be done.
 This discussion, by the way, is turning out to be very timely. I met 
            yesterday with some folks from Science Service (the organization that 
            publishes Science News). They're planning a major public awareness 
            campaign next year, to "raise awareness across America of the 
            vital importance of science literacy." Part of this program will 
            be a series of nationally televised "summits" to discuss 
            science literacy. So there's an opportunity for us to be involved 
            in these, if we'd like to, and bring the ideas we come up with into 
            wider view.
 Todd
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