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            I've been teaching about 
              capacitors this spring to pre-med students so I have a response 
              to this capacitor problem.
              I'm assuming the capacitor is charged to a fixed value, and then 
              disconnected from the battery. In other words throughout this discussion 
              Q is fixed, we have Q=CV, so if something changes C then likewise 
              V changes. (If it was hooked up to a battery then V is fixed and 
              Q could change as C changes.) Ignoring thermal motion, if you add 
              in a dielectric material
              between two capacitor plates, the capacitance increases, thus the 
              energy decreases, in other words work can be done. The
              reason for this is that the dielectric material polarizes, thus 
              the + charges of one plate get to be very close to - charges
              within the dielectric, this is an energetically favorable system. 
              So thus work could be done by lifting the dielectric material
              into the capacitor.
            Thermal motion just means 
              that the + charges of one plate aren't always close to - charges 
              in the dielectric. So thus thermal
              motion changes the value of the dielectric constant of water, making 
              it 80 rather than some much larger number.
            So two statements from 
              Pentcho that I strongly disagree with are:
              > If there were no thermal motion, the force of attraction
              > would slightly increase, due to polarization of water.
              > 
              > So, in my view, the radical decrease in attraction can only
              > be due to thermal motion.
            If the dielectric is 
              "perfectly polarizable" and has no thermal motion then 
              the dielectric constant is infinite, any charge added
              to the capacitor plate is instantly compensated for by the opposite 
              charge being induced on the dielectric. The only reason
              this does not happen is because of thermal motion: this is the opposite 
              of what is stated in those quotes.So to go through Pentcho's four 
              steps I would start by writing down the two relevant equations.
            C = (kappa A / epsilon_0 
              d) relates the dielectric constant kappa (1 for air, 80 for water), 
              the area of the plates A which
              is a constant, epsilon_0 which is a constant, and the separation 
              between the plates d.
            Energy = (1/2)(Q^2/C)
            > 1. As the capacitor 
              is suspended over the pool (no contact with
              > water), the plates are slowly drawn together. Through a pulley,
              > the movement can be harnessed to lift a weight - work is GAINED.
            Yes. C increases as d 
              decreases so the stored energy decreases, the stored energy can 
              be converted into work (ie a pulley
              lifted).
            > 2. The capacitor 
              is slowly let down and completely
              > immersed. Again, work is GAINED.
            Yes, C increases again 
              as kappa increases.
            > 3. In water, the 
              plates are slowly drawn apart until the
              > initial distance between them is restored. Work is SPENT,
              > but the work spent is 80 times smaller than the work gained
              > in step 1. (The movement is so slow that the friction is zero).
            Yes, C decreases so the 
              energy stored increases, this is because it takes work to pull the 
              plates apart. And I agree with the
              factor of 80.
            > 4. The capacitor 
              is slowly lifted until the initial state of the
              > system (capacitor + pool + earth) is restored. Work is SPENT.
            C decreases again, by 
              a factor of 80, so the stored energy increases and it takes a lot 
              of work to do this, that's what the
              equations tell us. The physical cause of this is that the capacitor 
              really likes having a dielectric inside, the dielectric allows for 
              some + charges to be really close to - charges on the capacitor 
              plate, and vice versa for the other plate. To pull these charges 
              apart takes a lot of work. Why does it take more work than when 
              the two plates are close together? Well, with the
              dielectric in, + charges on one plate are really close to - charges 
              on the dielectric, and farther from the - charges on the
              other plate. So when you remove the dielectric the + charges aren't 
              happy, but they still are somewhat close to the - charges on the 
              other plate. If the other plate is farther away to begin with, the 
              + charges are less happy. By "happy" I mean that it's 
              not energetically favorable.
            So if the plates are 
              close together, the + and - charges on the plate are almost as close 
              as the + and - charges on the
              plate/dielectric. If the plates are far apart, there's a much bigger 
              difference between having a dielectric in (and opposite
              charge very close to each plate) or having the dielectric out (and 
              opposite charges very far away).
            > B) The net work 
              gained in steps 1 and 3 is done at the expense
              > of net work spent in steps 2 and 4. This saves the second
              > law and implies the following. Roughly speaking, in step 2
              > the capacitor is "light" and little work is extracted 
              from
              > letting it down, but in step 4 the capacitor is heavy and a
              > lot of work is spent for lifting it.
            Work is done removing 
              the dielectric from the capacitor. Another way to put it is that 
              the capacitor is attracted to the water, because opposite charges 
              attract, and when the capacitor is in the water, the water polarizes 
              to put those opposite charges next to the plate. This manifests 
              itself as "the capacitor is heavy" but I would prefer 
              to think of it as "lifting the capacitor against its own weight 
              (constant) and against the electrostatic attraction to the polarized 
              water".
            --Eric Weeks